Thanks for reminding me that standardized tests are bullshit, and are only good at determining whether someone is good at taking standardized tests.
That is so true.
The Bar Exam is a different beast entirely though. On THAT test, you better know the law… all of it.
I read the 2003 NY state bar out of curiosity once. I was sorta surprised, it was short. Short paragraphs involving like events about how a property changed hands and who modified it over time and it asked the test taker to explain the legal status of the property now after the described events.
I thought it seemed simple and had a simple answer like, person A. Sorted. Read a legal opinion. Nope. You gotta cite boatloads of law explaining how each person’s actions invokes which law and going mad in depth. It was definitely a test of knowledge of the law + understanding how to apply it. Pretty gnarly test.
And that’s some NY specific law. I would fail that test so hard, even if I studied. How much reference material do they let you have? My memory is poooop.
When I took the NY state bar exam in the summer of 2012, I remember nervously sitting down to take the test on the first day, and I remember standing up exhausted to hand it in to the proctor on the second day.
I don’t remember anything in between… Nothing. I don’t remember a single question. I don’t remember coming home after the first day, what I did that night, what I ate for dinner, if I talked to my parents (I was living back home with them while studying for the bar exam), or going back the second day. Everything is just a complete blank.
No reference material, which, if you think about it, is total bullshit because in real life, you can pretty much always look up the law either online or in a book.
And they can ask about any law in any category? They could go after some tax law, and you memorized all the real estate and IP law, and now you’re boned?
That I don’t know but I just checked and found the thing I used to check.
Here are a bunch
And here is a specific one involving a company making a subsidiary company then the paying them x then them spending x but making x who owes who what?
According to my professor yes they can ask you literally anything.
Also for funsies and flashbacks, here is the Summer 2012 NY State bar. Anything jogged? I actually quite enjoy reading the tests and their answers. I tend to love legalistic stuff like this. Not sure how I’d feel having to have all of this info at my beck and call for an exam though.
Yup. That’s why people usually spend from May (after they graduate law school) to the end of July (when they take the exam) to study.
After a quick search, here’s the Kaplan Bar Review for NY, from Harvard. If you go down to page 6, you’ll see that the topics on the bar used to be:
Criminal Law and Procedure
NY distinctions (from other states)
CPLR (Civil Practice Law and Rules)
Agency and Partnership
Wills and Estates
Trusts (this is usually combined with the previous topic)
Administrative Law (what I do now)
UCC Article 9 (specific part of Contract law covering the Uniform Commercial Code for Secured Transactions)
Professional Responsibility (ethics - don’t sleep with your clients or embezzle funds)
Worker’s Compensation/No-Fault insurance
I guess at some point recently, NY changed to the MEE (Multi-state Essay Exam) and the subjects changed.
Oops, forgot to post the link.
Haha, no nothing is jogging my memory.
What’s kind of crazy is how similar the NYS Bar Exam questions and answers are to the Talmud:
(Start at the top of the Right Page: Mishna II)
The first question covers torts, contracts, conveyances, real estate and probate. And while I, as a first semester paralegal student, can only shrug as to the specifics of the law, I feel a deep need to know how to answer.
That’s how I’ve been getting by for years. Don’t ruin this for me.
What’s worse: that the Russians are trying to destroy us from within, or that they actually seem to be succeeding?
Someone has to explain to me the appeal of the Loss Edit meme. I know the Loss comic is without a doubt one of the most tone-deaf, idiotic missteps in web-comic history, but I have no idea why there are so many variations on it being throw out into the internet or why it would regain such popularity almost 10 years after original publication of the comic.
I do however admire the creative ways people have found in representing the Loss Edit.
It’s kind of similar to the way people like a good subtle pun. You open the door on some interesting content your friend’s posted online, but as you read through it it seems confusing and pointless, and you start to look for directions for why this thing is interesting. Then someone obliquely references Loss and the realization dawns instantly, and you’re left to comfort all the sad people who got caught by yet another Loss edit.
I think it is as simple as someone did something new and clever with a seminal internet failure everyone knows about and it was funny enough that people latched onto it as a subtle joke as @linkigi said.
When someone presents an irrelevant argument that is also false, do you call them out on the falsehood or the irrelevance?