I only eat things that fall from trees naturally. Like apples. And dead squirrels.
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[quote=âlukeburrage, post:134, topic:815, full:trueâ]
I only eat things that fall from trees naturally. Like apples. And dead squirrels.
[/quote]Sometimes you hit the jackpot
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I realize that youâre not a vegan spokesperson, and donât even hold this point of view, but my curiosity doesnât know how to be satisfied by google so Iâm going to ask here.
Isnât like pollination a byproduct of many insect/birds/other creatures. So, by extension, isnât things like apples or most other crops a byproduct of their activity?
How do they justify eating anything?
There are quite a few things pollinated by wind. But that doesnât really preclude your questions, just narrows it from âanythingâ down to âmost things.â
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This discussion on vegan classification on foods reminds me of a story told on This American Life about Orthodox Jewish food classifications. It inevitable gets so rules lawyering that only the nerdiest care about it. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/281/my-big-break?act=3
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But what about Dust Mites? Theyâre microscopic! Theyâre everywhere! There is probably literally nothing on this planet that doesnât have at least one dust mite on itâŚ
At a certain point, this argument becomes ridiculous.
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I guess suffering only really matters if you can see the creatureâs face. Those poor mites. Who will weep for them?
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Vegans who obsess over these minutia in insufferable and miss the point.
But they are far less of a problem than the hordes of non-vegans who obsess over these points solely to annoy/undermine actual vegans.
The only useful discussion is around the goals of veganism. Are those goals reasonable? Are any given actions advancing said goals?
Any discussion of the details of veganism is literally useless (and usually just antagonistic for no good reason) unless the root of the discussion is goal oriented.
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Nobody does rules lawyering like religious JewsâŚ
There is a well-known joke about Talmudic interpretation. A Jew is talking to his Rabbi.
Rabbi,â the man said, âExplain the Talmud to me.â
âVery well,â he said. âFirst, I will ask you a question. If two men climb up a chimney and one comes out dirty, and one comes out clean, which one washes himself?â
"The dirty one,â answers the man.
âNo. They look at each other and the dirty man thinks he is clean and the clean man thinks he is dirty, therefore, the clean man washes himself.â
âNow, another question:
If two men climb up a chimney and one comes out dirty, and one comes out clean, which one washes himself?â
The man smiles and says, âYou just told me, Rabbi. The man who is clean washes himself because he thinks he is dirty.â
âNo,â says the Rabbi. âIf they each look at themselves, the clean man knows he doesnât have to wash himself, so the dirty man washes himself.â
âNow, one more question.
If two men climb up a chimney and one comes out dirty, and one comes out clean, which one washes himself?â
âI donât know, Rabbi. Depending on your point of view, it could be either one.â
Again the Rabbi says, âNo. If two men climb up a chimney, how could one man remain clean? They both are dirty, and they both wash themselves.â
The confused man said, âRabbi, you asked me the same question three times and you gave me three different answers. Is this some kind of a joke?â
âThis is not a joke, my son. This is Talmud.â
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[quote=âKate_Monster, post:145, topic:815â]
Switch the word vegan for almost any lifestyle and diet choice, and it still works. This is not an isolated problem in one community.
[/quote]Oh, definitely agreed.
I wanted to set up that most of the âannoying vegan minutiaâ debates are all non-vegans doing it to harass vegans rather than any real, earnest debate.
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Is it still harassment if you use it to counter them harassing you first? A couple times in college PETA (which is headquartered in the city where I went to school) would get permission to set up booths in the student union and harass people eating burgers and such and I countered them with rules lawyering minutiae until they left me alone.
âWhat about plants doe? Youâre the real speciesist.â
Now that I think about it, I donât think Iâve ever actually encountered any annoying vegans/vegetarians/gluten-y people in meat space (the Internet doesnât count/pun sort of intended), itâs been 100% people using semantic arguments to complain about/be assholes to vegans/vegetarians/ect. .
Much in the same way the Internet loves to bitch about straw feminists, it loves to bitch about straw vegans.
Iâm sure they exist, but so do assholes of all stripes. Assholes are universal among humans.
Anyway, itâs no skin off my nose in either direction. If it brings you joy and helps drive you to accomplish personal goals, more power to you! There was a time when I wouldâve made fun of vegans, but that was Past Peter and that guyâs a fucking dick.
Gardein is wicked tasty too. Still gotta try those Quorn chickân nuggets.
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I think my proximity to PETA HQ is the only reason I have met actual IRL versions of the nutter holier than thou vegans.
Yeah, there are a lot of negative cultural stereotypes out there. But for many of them, Iâve encountered at least a few real life actual examples. I know several vegetarians and vegans, and I have not encountered even one IRL that is militant. Not even on the Internet. Iâve only ever seen the straw kind.
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I have met quite a few actually. The overlap between couchsurfers and annoying vegans is just large enoughâŚ
Iâm talking âDonât you feel guilty for all the terrible X & Y you do by eating meat?â or âDonât you care that youâre poisoning yourself? Iâm only asking because I careâ vegans.
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Wow. At least I only say âDonât you care that youâre poisoning yourself?â when it comes to actual poison.
Like that sugar cookie you ate before we did the show?
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