Star Wars: The Disney Era

There are no wheels Star Wars. I think the only wheeled droid has one wheel and is serving food in the diner in Attack of the Clones. Two legs with feet are probably more stable than a single wheel, especially when stationary.

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We literally had droid armies (if we are acknowledging the prequels) and the results were, well, mixed. Apparently if youre going to arm droids they need a kill switch and some oversight to prevent them going rampant. Meanwhile if a 6 year old can blow up the controller the droid army is now an expensive statue garden. It doesnt make a lot of sense, but at least its addressed within the movies themselves that while droids are always around the results of arming them has an imperfect history.

Sure i can nerd rage over slow ass dumb gravity bombers in space or the logic of your fleet hyperjumping to “the middle of nowhere but actually only a days sublight burn from our target planet.” Or 50 other things. Generally they are subtle and/or can be explained away and/or have only localized plot impact. But the hyperdrive missile is potentially gamebreaking mode of warfare so by introducing it, and in such grand a fashion, in those moments of silence you are left to wonder what the implications are.

It almost starts to seem like there is an actual in-setting experience points system where characters, droids, and even ships seem to be arbitrarily better with more wins/missions/whatever. A massive army of droids/clones? Useless. But run them through enough drama points and the survivors will kick ass and take names. That might be why you promote smugglers to generals.

Yep! They use repulsorlifts for everything that should be wheels. Hover carts, hover cars, hover trolleys, hoveretc.

I sincerely hope Rey’s parentage is completely unimportant. It never needs to be mentioned again.

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Anyone who is deadset on the idea that Kylo Ren was lying missed the entire point of the movie.

There is no important dynastic legacy. That story is old-fashioned. We are moving on to something else now.

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He did learn it in a telepathic mind tunnel run by the Snokémon.

Finally got around to watching TLJ. Had a question about Rey going down into the sea cave. Where she finds an infinite copy of herself. I get it was a call back to Luke in the swamp cave where he faces himself as Vader. Rey’s revelation wasn’t as obvious to me. Was it supposed to be if she followed the dark side to find her family all she would find is just herself? Or was there something else I’m just not getting?

On another note. I was skimming through Wookieepedia and came across gray Jedi? And found a list that talks about 15 Gray Jedi. Number 1 on the list was Rey. What are your thought’s about the gray Jedi?

https://www.cbr.com/15-shades-of-gray-jedi-exploring-the-middle-path-of-the-force/

Gray Jedi are a lameass copout invented by the same assholes who think “both sides” is a compelling and intelligent viewpoint.

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Oh. I was looking at it like more like being able to use white magic and black magic. Like the Red Mages in the Final Fantasy series.

To be honest, if your choices are cartoonishly evil assholes who invariably just murder each other, taking varying amounts of innocent people with them, and ascetic monks who still live in curiously lush towers and have astounding amount of resources for things like starfighters, ships, and the like turned into petty, meddling bureaucrats arguing with each other about which random direction they should meddle next - yeah, I think I’d be looking for a third option and wanting nothing to do with either of them. I’d just go and do force stuff on my own thank you very much.

(Oh, and the meddling bureaucrats would also consider that falling to the dark side, and consider that just cause to pursue and possibly kill you, and the cartoonishly evil ones would probably just kill you for fun, or some bizzaro apprenticeship test, or because they wanted your lunch, or god knows what. So, that’s also kinda not cool.)

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There was the wheeled prison transport in Rogue One Jyn was busted out of. Wheels are definitely rarer, but not totally obsolete.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/ff/Sandcrawler.png/revision/latest?cb=20130812001443

Tank treads may as well be wheels.

Also, general Greivous in the prequels rides one big wheel.

What would happen is the rise of interdictor Cruisers or Gravity Well projectors being standard issue on any Capital Ship to prevent this from happening again.

Based on the sizes of the Rebel Crusier and Snoke’s Command Ship, you could make a missile the size of an X-wing and be able to destroy an Imperial Star Destroyer or 2 X-wings to take out the First Order Destroyer.

Is Greivous a drone?

Of course, in all the movies, R2-D2 rolls around on his feet, obviously on rollers or wheels of some kind, rather than walking like a gonk groid.

Greivous was proto-Vader.

He was a Kaleesh (Alien species, that’s very Mongol-inspired) that was in a shuttle accident and was rebuilt as a Cyborg. He had no actual force ability, his skill with Lightsabers coming from Droid-like reflexes.

I draw a distinction between Gray Jedi as a philosophy and Gray Jedi as a political consequence. The political side, I have no issue. The philosophical side, by and large, is a ridiculous argument to the middle.

I mean dialectical monism is hardly a new idea, so I really don’t understand the need to insert a third philosophical path into the existing construct.

The first one I recall was from the original KOTOR game where you find an exiled jedi knight who basically left the order over his love interest. I don’t think that qualifies for the “both sides” thing. He was just a strong force user who couldn’t reconcile something about himself with the rules of the order. Just as easily could be a dark side user (emotional, passionate, etc) that doesn’t want to do badwrong evil things. Or any force sensitive that doesn’t really subscribe to the extremes of either side.

Really it should be the default state.

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Grey Jedi as an order is a bit lame.

Grey Jedi as a catchall blanket term for those who arent faithful Jedi or Sith is fine but its also indicative of a need for maybe more detail in the series, if we are to broach the subject.

I would love to see alternate philosophies that arent beholden to the Jedi<>Sith spectrum.

Id like to see the group of Force Users who work on a theory of nonviolence and strictly and openly use their force powers to be better leaders and politicians. They dont rely on lightsabers but on mind tricks.

Or a philosophy of Robin Hood type Forcers who decry the Jedi and Sith and all the massive power structures and work more to distribute the wealth. This could be fundamentally the equivalent of the Jedi religion albeit different tennents and priorities. Imagine Rose with the force powers and training equivalency of any Jedi. Out busting casinos and stealing from the Empire and freeing Slaves from the Hutts. But still having room to fight with emotion, to love the Finns out there or be angry when they see kids being whipping boys.

One of these users might have straight up murdered Watto to save Anakin as vengence for the dude being a slave owning ass. And not faced discipline from their order. (Local statutes notwithstanding)

One could go on and on, I’m sure this stuff is in the old EU, but i havnt read it nor does it seem to apply anymore. Nevertheless, there ought to be room in the story for more than just the philosophies of the pure uncompromised Jedi or evil, free wheeling Sith.

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I do. Nerds want lore. If you don’t give them lore, they either invent some, or assume it’s a mystery and bend themselves into knots trying to “solve” it. So what do you expect out of a universe that spent 30 years being written by nerds, for nerds? Want someone who has the force, and is trained and effective like a jedi, but isn’t a Jedi? Get ready for some MOTHERFUCKIN LORE.

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