MAGFest 2018


#41

I have my badge. Several of my friends who expressed interest in rooming with me ignored my messages about when registration was going live and are at another event with no cell service or internet, so I suspect they won’t be going. Thankfully, I have another group of people I can coordinate with if my friends don’t get badges.


#42

I wouldn’t really mind if the tickets had been $70 full stop. But paying an extra $10 per ticket because the server can’t keep up with demand feels bad.


#43

Yeah, apparently they are raising the price over time. Like the first X people who bought tickets only paid $59, then $69, and it will eventually max out at $85.

That is not cool. It’s ok to do something based on date to encourage people to register far in advance. Like, give people who register 6 months in advance a lower price than someone who registered 1 month in advance. That is great. But people who registered 10 minutes apart paying a different price is not cool. It’s even worse with their bad tech not holding up.

It’s also dumb of them. They could have just charged everyone the max price of $85, and nobody would complain. They would also make more money. By doing this discount method and creating an unfair situation, they just give people a reason to be mad.


#44

I bet they will get rid of the raising price the second they actually sell out.


#45

It shouldn’t be done by time, it should be done by how many people register.

Say there are 10,000 tickets. The first sells at $50.00 exactly. For every person who purchases a ticket, raise the price by 0.005 cents, and round up to the next cent. Then the 10,000th person to register pays $100.00 exactly.

At that point the price can ramp up even more severely each ticket. Maybe by the time the event comes round, each ticket sold at the door goes up by one dollar.

All this means people are incentivised to get in as early as possible, but it’s not decided by arbitrary date cutoff but by demand.


#46

No, that’s bullshit. Why should I pay more than someone who bought something a few seconds before I did? If you go to the grocery store and someone gets in line with their apple before you do, so you get charged more than they do, that’s horse shit.

It is much less convenient for an attendee to buy tickets far in advance. They might not even know if they can get the days off work yet. They might not be able to arrange travel plans that early. It’s very risky. They might be buying tickets they can’t use. They also give up the opportunity to change their mind without having to go through the hassle of selling the tickets. If something won’t sell out completely, attendees are best off buying tickets at the last possible second when they definitely know they are going to attend.

For events it is best if tickets are sold far in advance. Knowing attendance figures. Getting the cash money ASAP. All of these things are a great benefit to the event at the expense of the attendees convenience. This is why events will often give discount prices far in advance based only on time. People buying tickets 6 months in advance helps them out more than people buying tickets 4 months in advance, so they get lower prices.

The only reason not to charge everyone the same exact price is to create this incentive. Giving someone a benefit for getting through an internet ticket system 10 minutes faster than someone else is complete horse shit.


#47

I do not have any pull in the registration policy but Luke is right once the tickets hit X next teir pricing begins. The estimates are set due to trending information in the years prior so that there is a gap between so that people can pace it out.

However they tied this to room reservations so any semblance of logic is thrown out the window, should be one fixed price or a slight discount after a hard date time of about a month and a half.

This is one of those things that I could have seen coming but since I have no say in the silo I leave it be to the powers that be.


#48

No load balancing in prod? I mean shit, haproxy is free and works. This is a solved problem. Either way I’m glad they wrote this up.


#49

Scott is completely correct. Quite frankly, MAGfest is my favorite (and now only regularly attended) con partially because of its affordability. Nickel-and-diming me because I work and can’t register until later in the day is literally taxing the working class. Soon, I will have a child, and my schedule will be much less flexible. Still, I plan on going to MAGfest, but I will need to arrange for child care, get approved time off from work, etc. Having prices go exponentially up if it takes me a few extra days or weeks (particularly given the now greatly delayed date announcement), per Luke’s suggestion, is severely taxing the working family. MAGfest needs to decide if it wants to be that sort of organization. Its decision will deeply impact my continued loyalty to the con.

If one must tier pre-registering, it should be set to go up at a set date so that one can be aware of what one is purchasing - not finding out that X number of people have registered so their amount goes up from the time they click to purchase to the time they go to pay.


#50

I think you’re taking my silly suggestion a bit too seriously. If the event isn’t selling out yet,of course there should be one price and that’s it.


#51

No, they are actually doing what you said. At a certain number of attendees the price went up $10. It happened within an hour or two of opening registration. It will eventually go up from $59 to $85. Your silly suggestion is their actual business model.


#52

Okay, so either you are complaining about their business model or my own suggestion, which are quite different. Jumping up $10 after a certain number is passed isn’t much like creeping up 0.005 cents per attendee.


#53

Wow. You think I really thought they were working exactly to your hyperbolic system? LOL

Of course not. Nearly doubling the attendance fee is still ludicrous without taking it to your obviously inflated for humor suggestion. Jebus Christ.

Your suggestion is a great send up of their actual system. I wasn’t saying you were being serious, I was highlighting the ludicrousness of their current model, as (I think) were you.


#54

If an event is going to sell out, or they want to restrict numbers to a lower number, I have no problem with using time and money as a way to officially work out who wants to attend the most.

People with lower money but are more enthusiastic can sign up as soon as possible to get the lowest price. Good for them! People with more money but aren’t interested enough to know they should sign up as far ahead as possible? They pay more closer to the event.

This already happens at 99% of popular events with scalping and reselling tickets at a profit. In this case it’s third parties taking the extra money, not the event. Officially increasing prices over time is like having an auction where early bidders win, not later bidders. It benefits everyone.

It’s unfortunate that time and money are the deciding factors when it comes to scarce items like event tickets, but until the entire world works differently, it’s kinda what we are stuck with.


#55

Having money isn’t the only barrier to entry. No matter how interested one may be, finances aren’t the only concern. Certain jobs cannot allow you to just waste 45 minutes to hours trying to register right away. Some real-life issues, like arranging for long term child care, take time. There are more elements at play than interest and money.

And no, we aren’t stuck with it. Any organization can buck the tradition. Some do already.


#56

Yeah. Time. I already said time. All you are talking about is time. You don’t have time to do something. That’s my point. Time and money.


#57

Your last sentence mentioned it. Your first several paragraphs were about interest and money. Sorry I missed your one mention of a pressing concern that financial strapped people often have less of because they are financially strapped.

Keep championing/accepting current systems that directly impact people’s quality of life, though. It’s a good look. ^_~


#58

It was time and money all along. My opening statement:

My closing statement:

Again, I’m not saying this is the way I want the world to work, and calling something unfortunate is the opposite of championing it.

If we were talking about healthcare access or some other service that I think should be available to everyone, I’d be 100% against using money or free time as a indicator of who should get what. However, in this case we are talking about event tickets and entertainment options. This is a gaming and music event, as far as I understand.

Maybe you could propose that they have a certain number of tickets set aside for people with young children, with children under a certain age free entry?


#59

Simple solution is just - as is well known and mentioned - sell tickets at a given price within a given date range. Even if the discounts are only up for a day.


#60

There is NO solution to this. Y’all don’t even have to deal with PAX West. :wink:

There’s one price. The badges are sold out within seconds. Literally the only way to get them at face value is to be watching twitter constantly and IMMEDIATELY buy them. There’s no way to expand the capacity. Every hotel sells out.

Nothing can fix that short of raising the price to the point that they wouldn’t completely sell out. I still think PAX could sell $300 weekend badges and sell out almost as fast.

Escalating prices are actually just receding discounts. I would argue it’s completely pointless to offer any sort of discount on badges to a large con that is mostly selling out. Either raise the prices over time to ensure it never sells out (maximize profit) or keep prices fixed and let luck sort who can attend.