Houses and Home Ownership


True. But they’re REAL nice.


If you consider the rent for just our apartments, it is way expensive. If you also factor in all the other things we get as free add-ons, like those big ass yards, it’s a bargain.


Replace lawn with creeping thyme & pennyroyal.

mowing & ticks solved.


It’s only a bargain if you use it.

Which, if you do, excellent.

In terms of mowing, I concur with the idea of riding mower or paying some local kid to do the work. IF they turn out to not be a thieving shitlord then you make out on the deal. If you have a riding mower and really good active noise cancellation you can just pound away some music for however long it takes and be done. Not the end of the world. And then in the off season maybe kit it as a racing lawnmower and find new ways to hurt all your bones.

I am still in the midst of plotting my ideal home but it will likely not have grass. Maybe scorpions.


Scorpion moat. Then you can yell at the damn kids to get off your scorpion moat.


Pete forgot (7) Ragweed.

“Replace the lawn with” sounds great in principle, but it won’t actually work. The creeping charlie and other tenacious weeds will take over regardless of what we try to put in unless it is regularly mowed or weeded to keep them at bay. And fuck you, I’m not weeding an entire acre.


This sounds like a power trippers power tripping + are actually idiots + actively don’t like you wombo combo.

This happens and it sucks, technically you do have some recourse but it’s tricky. The state won’t get involved with HOA disputes but they may get involved if it can be argued that the HOA isn’t serving it’s function at all and needs to go entirely… or something I don’t remember exactly the going over their head equivalent.

In this instance, as with many others it seems like it’s not worth it.

My only point is that I know some percentage of HOAs are fine and filled with reasonable people and I imagine that that percentage is higher than most believe because those bad instances really stand out and are easy to point to.


Even if there are HOAs that are fine and don’t cause big problems, do HOAs ever do anything really good? You never hear a story about “Oh, my HOA really helped me out! Oh, it made my life so great.” An HOA at its best is one that does nothing, then they shouldn’t exist.


Yeah admittedly it’s easier with my small patch, but I’ve just been doing a little at a time, everytime there’s a good rain. The creeping charlie I got from you is doing really nice here, I like it draping all over my planters.


HOAs are no-good because they supersede local government and place effectively government powers into the hands of unregulated, unchecked individuals (i.e., idiots). There is no oversight and no way to check their power if they overreach.

There is extreme potential for abuse, severe consequences from their actions (people can lose their homes), and no way to appeal a decision.

Even worse, they are in almost all cases unlimited in scope and responsible for their own scope. One of the most common scenarios of abuse is:

  1. Simple HOA that does routine maintenance of shared spaces.
  2. An idiot works to elect their friends to the HOA and gains control
  3. Massive scope expansion
  4. Everyone else has a job and can’t waste their time trying to take over the HOA
  5. Someone loses their house because their grass is the wrong color

The biggest danger are people who live at home, don’t have jobs (yet still have money), and want a power trip. There’s a reason nightmare HOAs are run almost entirely by retirees and homemakers.


They solve collective action problems. I mean you won’t here it phrased like “Oh my HOA saved me that one time” more like, “I’m glad we have it as the alternative is undesirable”

Here’s the example. Before we had the HOA for the lake every property individually wanted to get rid of the floating nightmare that is wolffia. Problem is when everyone tried to solve it themself they dealt with the symptom (the plant itself) and not the underlying cause (systemic and is too deep into lake biology for this thread)

The way that manifested itself is there’s a commercial product that is sprayed, and is cheap enough for one person to just buy that kills the stuff on contact and renders the lake unswimmable for a few days. Also over time it actually makes the underlying problem worse.

Pre-HOA it was wait until it gets bad enough for someone else to buy the commercial product, and just don’t address the underlying issues. Post HOA the underlying issues are being addressed and we’ve not had to buy SONAR (the product) in many years.


You don’t need to create an official organization with the power to kick you out of your home in order to solve this problem. All you have to do is fucking talk to your neighbors.


It doesn’t have that power.


You might think so, but just wait until some power tripping homebody gets elected president and starts expanding it. Suddenly you won’t be allowed to hang your laundry out to dry because the old lady next door doesn’t like it.


In most places in America, HOAs are tied to property deeds. You can’t opt out, and the scope is not limited by anything but momentum.


That’s certainly a risk, does this mean you don’t support any power structure with the potential for abuse?

I happen to know this one is opt out-able. This is because there’s actually one other house on the lake not part of the association. They were asked nicely to join and opted out and everyone respected that decision.

Edit: Thinking back I’m not sure if the thing here is a HOA or just a contract signed by the 9 people on the lake committed to the maintenance of the shared space. It may not be a HOA.


Well now y’all got me nervous. I just signed a lease for a house in a HOA. At least it’s only a year lease. The one good thing is they have a company come in and take care of everyone’s small lawn. The thing that has me nervous is that woodworking is one of my main hobbies, and I figured if anyone would complain about noise, it would be a HOA type person.


Careful. Many times, once opted-in, you can never leave. If leaving is just a bylaw, they can change it. Most HOAs are a one-way latch: your property is in forever.


I also happen to know this one is a deal with the people not their property. One of the people moved and we had to separately invite the new occupants to join the agreement. (New guy is a military pilot as his day job)


Any power structure has the potential for abuse. HOAs specifically have an extremely long track record of heinous abuses, and almost no track record at all of being beneficial. In principle, nobody should be able to tell their neighbor that they can not engage in a legal behavior on their own property.