Fuck the Police


#101

Can I ask a serious question: why would you ever watch such a video? As soon as I see any link to any video of police brutality, the most natural thing for me is to just not click it. I’ve never watched anyone be shot or killed or beaten by anyone. Same with graphic videos of people driving cars into protests and stuff like that. What good do you think will ever come of watching it yourself?


#102

I mean. I don’t have a positive answer for you. I can say that I’ve heard what you say before. From republican family who mostly insist that when police kill people, it’s because they had no choice/were resisting/were bad people. I sometimes watch these videos so I can judge for myself.


#103

I also do not watch most of the time. Definitely didn’t watch this one.

Some people have morbid curiosity, and some don’t.

I also did not smell the bamboo.


#104

See, that’s what I don’t understand. What does your mind tell you is important about you judging this for yourself?


#105

How can I reasonably dispute someone saying “I trust police, yeah they sometimes make mistakes but all in all I trust them not to kill people unreasonably” I need to be able to know what videos to watch and what transpired within them so I can point to counterexamples of their view.

Worse still I can’t just point to Rodney King and be done with it because “that was a long time ago, things have changed” So I also try and have one in recent memory.


#106

Personally, I often watch such things. I want to understand the cause and effect, the action and reaction, that lead to these monstrous outcomes. It better prepares me for the eventuality that I am involved in or witness to one, especially if there’s even the most remote chance that I could affect the outcome.

Some other people seem to just not fucking understand how unjustified the shootings were until they see it for themselves. I’m not one of those, but I have seen this sentiment.

For me it’s about real life heuristics. I’ve seen a lot of car accident videos, and it’s helped me be more aware of the kinds of small events that predicate them. I know things like “if there’s nuclear fallout, try to hold out in shelter for 2 hours, 2 days, or 2 weeks.” I know what gunfire sounds like. I know what a subway shover’s face looks like right before they do it (they all have this same dead-eyed look and fixed stare).

Odds are none of these things will matter. But I take comfort in having some primary sources on the horrors of the world. It helps me contextualize, and affords me a higher chance of a dispassionate and pragmatic response if I’m ever witness to one.


#107

The reason I chose not to watch was simply that, based on the responses I was reading, this man was complying and was then violently shot. I know that if a cop wants to shoot me, I can do very little about it. So watching the video in this case doesn’t teach me, unlike what you’re discussing with other horrors.

I started it, but I quickly realized I was going to be too upset going through with it and I stopped.


#108

I have started watching videos like this. I find them disturbing and that one more so than any other. I used to avoid it but part of me says that in order to respect the loss of life I’ll watch, and feel angry or upset or whatever and face that unpleasant reality on its own terms.


#109

Speaking personally, it’s born of a desire to attempt to understand what people could possibly perceive as a threat.

If there are people who claim that an officer saw an action that justified a fatal response, then I want to see what it is that justified said response. I want to try to understand what other people are perceiving as a threat.

I also naively want to believe that there is something justifiable, so that I can believe in law enforcement that works well and fairly.

Increasingly, I am lead only to believe that a significant portion of my country engages in widespread uniform worship, and has no problem with violent fascists literally murdering unarmed civilians in the name of “law and order.” I suspect it’s rooted in a deep-seated hatred of their fellow man intersecting with privilege - they assume the murderer will always work for them, and will thus murder the people they want to murder.

It also assures me that the solution is to disarm all police.


#110

Also here’s the wikipedia page for the incident, incase someone would prefer a written description of the events:


#111

Humans are all ugly. Every cause seems to have blood and bad intentions somewhere within its ranks.

I’m only saying that to say, you would be wrong to dehumanize those groups, in that the actions we see on display are very human. Police brutality is a modern brand on an old code. I think it sounds like dumb and edgy duality of man bullshit, but there is some truth in the idea that man is it’s own monster.

I mean isn’t a man harming another as human a trait as making art?


#112

I watch out of morbid fascination. It’s kind of the same reason people go to /r/watchpeopledie. And on another hand, look how blatant this was. Even with video evidence this officer was willing to make up an excuse to shoot a man, shoot him, and he still was cleared of any charges. I don’t look for excuses to be angry, but this sure gets me angry.

Edit: And my fiancee just put it succinctly while watching The Handmaiden’s Tale: if we turn away from the horribleness we let it grow.


#113

Don’t let abstraction numb the visceral wrongness of reality.


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“And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things.” - Terry Prachett

As soon as a person engages in activities or pushes an agenda that ‘others’ human beings, they are the problem. Even being a cog in the machine (i.e. just following orders or doing as one has been trained) makes one the problem. Sure, there is a human being underneath the uniform, badge, or label, but what does that matter if they are treating people as things? Should they get a pass? Does that make it okay? No.


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#119

What the ever living fuck.


#120

I almost feel like I can’t post, everything I wanna say in response to that is in the thread title.