One for historians.
Also…
Unless I’m mistaken, I don’t understand how the theoretical next civil war in the states would be the extreme right vs the state.
What revolution would they be shooting for? They want their own state to call their own ethnostate? They wanna overthrow the already right wing government and replace it with another right wing government?
One might argue it started in 1995 with Oklahoma City.
This conversation is pretty dumb.
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I think it would be far left vs far right for control of the government as a whole, and the government would condemn both while tacitly supporting the right.
How is discussing the distinct possibility of an American insurgency and civil war dumb? If you think it can’t happen you’re sorely mistaken.
Giving the authorities, especially police, the validation to murder Americans with impunity is a formula for a short-lived and unsuccessful insurgency.
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The weirdest thing about the “armed revolution” angle is it’s coming from both sides. I don’t feel great about that. Like if we were all in a room, and on two opposite corners we have people talking like “if it doesn’t go our way, we grab our guns and shoot everyone who isn’t with us” and you’re one of the people maybe strongly on one side but not quite at that level… they both seem threatening, and I don’t feel safe with either even if one of the groups has similar interests to me. Hopefully all the talk about Trump being unwilling to step down and using ICE as his Gestapo are just rhetoric.
I actually don’t want to get into a gun fight with my neighbors. I’ll lose. Sheer numbers (blue city in a red state), interest in such things, tendency towards violence, etc. I’ll argue a hundred people into the ground, but I don’t have the gears in me for an actual fight. All the intellect in the world doesn’t beat a gun against your head.
I really hope it’s all just blustering. I’ve got nothing to offer to an actual physical revolution or civil war.
That said, I’m also logically aware (and possibly even started the conversation… a while back) about extrajudicial options. At the end of the day, appointment for life is still finite. There are always options.
Y’all can’t even get everyone to vote, you think you’ll be able to actually get a civil war together? Good luck with that.
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Well, we might have done this once before.
Yeah, but it was 1861, there was fuck all else to do. All you had to contend with was the slave-holding south, not trying to drag people away from another episode of Storage Wars.
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I mean we don’t even have to go back that far to find a decade with a much higher level of instability. the 60/70’s had literal anarchist/socialist groups bombing government buildings off hours. That took a Draft and an unpopular war. Man, I just don’t see a population generally concerned about the final season of Game of Thrones deciding they are going to die for a cause that would be discredited the second an innocent person was killed. (I.E nearly anyone they hit). What would be their target even? Sure the US has a lot of lone gunman and a few small groups, nothing that could actually stand up to a half sized city police force that was on alert. Things will have to have gotten a LOT worse. And honestly Representative Democracies tend to react to uphavel by reforming, see LBJ’s civil rights and the Election of Obama after the Fiscal crisis. These sorts of things alleviate the anger that could well up and cause people to take extreme action. Elections defuse feelings of powerlessness. I could feel the country literally breath a sigh of relief when the D’s took the house in 2018.
Anyhow, I could go on, but really any talk of armed revolution right now is the fever dreams of a few frustrated folks.
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Any thought to Secession of certain states? If “The South” decides to break away again, what happens?
Or maybe if the the coasts decide to break away, what happens then?
You can see a much more integrated version of succession going on right how. Marijuana is being legalized in multiple states despite it still being classified as a controlled substance by the federal government. I think there can be avenues for actual civil disobedience if states continue to overexert “state’s rights” for good causes. You cant argue against states rights because your red blooded conservatives will execute you but you are also going to have a hard time stopping non-cis marriage, drug legalization, and nontraditional voting or representative election if it leans on state’s rights.
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Rehtorical consistancy has never been a mainstay of modern republican thinking.
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The “right” in States’ Rights is the ability to pursue codified oppression of minorities and nothing more.
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Jokes on Warren, America doesn’t like plans.
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Or women with power, it seems.
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