Cheaters

They’re also trialing a hawkeye-like system in the lower leagues right now with the aim of getting all the issues ironed out before they introduce it to pro baseball. It’s already in a lot of the stadiums for the purposes of tracking it for the coverage and stats, but they’re moving it over into(and in some cases adding the hardware for) using it to make actual calls.

Are (ultra)marathons the sport with the most cheating, or are they just the one where the stories make the news the most often? I feel like the preposterous nature of the cheating, like getting in a car or taking a shortcut, gives it a compelling headline. Boring old PED usage isn’t going to make a headline that someone not involved with the sport would end up seeing in their news feed.

It’s also not technical or complicated to explain at all. “They got in a car lol.”

But say cycling cheats, “they took this drug, which you body makes on its own, but then they have too much of it, and it doesn’t make you faster per se, but you can train harder so blah blabla”

The is the first time that the team or athlete I am a fan of has been caught cheating that I can remember. How do I feel about it? Happy! Baseball is all about cheating, glad to see any effort to stop it. He flatly denied cheating, but we’ve seen cheaters do that before.

That said, I do think we need a better test for cheating other umpires subjective judgement of stickiness levels.

I also think part of the problem is that they allow rosin in the first place. Don’t let people use any substances whatsoever. The existence of a legal substance provides a cover story for the illegal ones. Also, anything that makes pitchers worse is going to help hitters and make baseball more exciting.

I’ve read that hitters don’t mind pine tar or rosin. Better control for pitchers.

Don’t see this too often since car inspections are pretty tight.

I know there’s something of an art to getting away with a car boost, say during a water bottle handoff. But 31 guys!

A third of the field, lol.

The Mexico City Marathon has had issues with rampant cheating in the past. In 2017, nearly 6,000 runners were disqualified for similar reasons, with more than 3,000 also being removed from the results the following year.

Maybe the thought is that if 11,000 people cheat, that you can be the lucky individual that gets away with it?

At that point it seems more like poor course design than anything else. I am also sure a lot of those people just followed the herd without intention to cheat, just believing that they were running the course as it was set up. That’s still a disqualification because you are responsible to know the course and follow it, but there is still a good part that falls on the race planners.

The article suggests its more rampant cheating. Lots of vehicle usage and such.

The article is very poorly written in that regard.

Marca reported Monday that the runners were disqualified after missing checkpoints that were placed every 5 kilometers. Some runners allegedly used vehicles or public transport to cut the course.

“Some runners allegedly used vehicles”. How many of those 11,000 is “some”? Is it 5, 50, or 5000? Very flexible terms here.

Lots of reporting by ESPN on Biogenesis:

I’ve only started reading it, but there is a ton of material here.

Instead, anywhere from 0.2% to 0.5% of people are managing to pull off a first-turn win in Wordle’s normal mode, with Dilger converting that to between 4,000 and 10,000 players based on Wordle’s 1.7 million daily users.

It’s a small number of people, but this type of behavior is a huge problem. Some people, for some unknown reason, gain satisfaction simply from the indicator that they are a winner rather than actually being a winner and accomplishing something.

Imagine if I went to the Tour de France with a motorcycle and they actually gave me the yellow jersey. This isn’t a situation where I still put in a lot of my own efforts and just used PEDs to get a boost. I straight up did nothing. No work, no accomplishment, no nothing. How could I possibly feel like a winner? I’d feel more like a winner if I rode it myself and came in last place. Just finishing even one stage legitimately would feel better since it’s so difficult.

What kind of mind does a person have where their joy is derived from a picture on the computer monitor saying “You Win!” even though that visual indicator is completely detached from reality.

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Self-delusion is a powerful drug. “But, I have all these indicators that I am a winner, I can’t possibly be a loser!” Self-delusion, possibly reinforced by sharing such accomplishments on social media to seek praise and/or status?

I would be curious to read a psychological study of such people.

This is an interesting tidbit:

That’s been my experience, once I decide to cheat in a game (Game Genie, dev console commands, modifying the javascript of a web game, etc…) I often lose interest very quickly, though it depends on the nature of the cheat. If it is just extra lives (more likely to keep playing the game for a while) vs can’t be killed or something along those lines (almost immediately lose interest after seeing the ending or whatever obstacle I could not get past).

This is weird to me from all angles. I haven’t played Wordle in a while, but NYT hasn’t dramatically changed it, right?

It’s a single player game. Who was “cheated”? Who do these people “beat”?

What are the “cheaters” getting out of it? Just a line of 5 green emoji squares?

Exactly. For some reason simply having the “trophy”, even though it’s just a number on a screen is enough for them.

Worlde got big enough for social clout/effects from your wordle diagrams and time to solve. Thats probably the main driver.

I am surprised that the subject of Billy Mitchell hasn’t come up in this thread yet. Mitchell is best known as a supposed record holder for Donkey Kong and was prominently featured in the 2007 documentary “King of Kong”. In the documentary he is kind of cast as a villain so the documentary could be seen as a bit biased, but his personality, haircut and the way he dresses does him no favor here.

Since the documentary almost all of his records have come into question with strong evidence that his submitted record tapes were all produced using emulator software, which is not permitted as per the official record keepers. Billy has since gone into legal warfare suing basically anybody who is putting serious doubt on his “records”.

This very long video goes into a lot of detail on the issue. I’ve watched it in smaller chunks because I can’t just go for four hours straight. I also didn’t really like the intro it had. However, the rest of the video is fascinating in dismantling this guy.

He never passed the sniff test even before I was aware of how obviously he’s cheated.