Now that Donald Trump has Won


#1787

I mean normally I would say what you do is get more involved. However I know your situation and in those cases where you can’t do a lot, you might want to disengage a bit and focus on the problems in front of you that can be solved and change you focus away from National issues.


#1788

If I do that, I start focusing on leaving the country…

Not to be flip about it, but that’s the only thing I have control over at this point.


#1789

The problem I have with that is it’s likely by the time the issues have a direct, tangible effect on me, it will be far too late to do anything but find a gun and shoot at the American SS outside my door.

I feel it is my responsibility to be aware and as involved as I can be because we have a wanba-be dictator supported by a party of wanna-be dictators who do literally nothing about their murderous horde of garbage tier shit-golems abusing the rest of the population.

I’m happy that, to date, I’ve not witnessed any of the verbal or physical abuse first hand. But i have a growing feeling that if I saw some fat white asshole in a maga hat slinging slurs at someone in a grocery store, I’d not stop attacking until there was only unrecognizable meat left.

The threat one political party poses, and it’s followers pose, is immediate and undeniable, and there doesn’t seem to be much that anyone in seats of power is doing about it.


#1790

He’s going to sign an executive order ending birthright citizenship.

That’s directly unconstitutional, but he controls the majority of the Supreme Court…


#1791

I’m roughly 95% confident it’s pre-midterm blustering, precisely because the idea is entirely laughable. I’m giving even odds that he’ll let it drop, because the talking point will have accomplished what it needs to.


#1792

This.

Let’s all get angry about getting rid birthright citizenship instead of talking about the MAGAbomber or the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. Let’s all get angry about that instead of focusing on the issues that could help elect Democrats in literally a week.

Waves hands around frantically


#1793

Now with that said, it’s still a problem. Trump is trying to redirect his monstrous base away from attacking Jews and back to where they belong - attacking immigrants.

So I’m not saying there’s nothing horrible here. There will be no executive order, but there won’t need to be because the threat will be enough to incite hate against immigrants. You won’t need the government to do anything because the violent mob can deal with it.

Fuck everything.


#1794

Agreed, but this is just Trump throwing up chaff to try and distract the media and energize his base.


#1795

Personally I can’t afford to assume anything, especially considering the rate at which what seemed preposterous and off the table became definitively on the table, and then part of the dinner set.


#1796

Given that birthright citizenship is pretty much literally spelled out in the 14th amendment and has been settled law since 1898, I doubt the Supreme Court would uphold his executive order. While I can see Kavanaugh and maybe Gorsuch going along with that crap due to being picked by Trump, I can’t see even the other GOP members of the court, who were nominated by GOP presidents who weren’t anywhere near as wacko, going along. I mean, remember, Roberts was the deciding vote that kept Obamacare.

That said, I’m not holding my breath either way on this one. I only have my citizenship as a result of birthright citizenship.


#1797

Fair point.

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#1798

If the GOP controls the Senate and the Supreme Court is compromised, then the constitution has zero actual power.


#1799

I feel like something is at play where the end goal is dissolution of the state on both sides, they’re just fighting for a bigger cut of the proceeds. Like the USSR dissolving and Oligarchs getting to claim state assets, but with the USA instead.


#1800

Bit of hope, seems like we need it this morning.


#1801

The question is to what extent the Supreme Court is compromised. I have a sliver of faith that the non-Trump GOP appointees will hold the line on the worst of his excesses, which gives a 7-2 majority against him. Of course, I may be overly optimistic here.


#1802

I think there is a concerted effort by the Russian Government to destabilize the US so it can do whatever the hell it wants to do without the US interfering.


#1803

I would say you’re being slightly overly optimistic.

Goresuch and Kavanaugh will go along with pretty much everything Trump wants. Thomas will as well, because he’s so far right, he’s practically done a complete 360. Alito is also pretty far right, although not as right as the previous three. Which brings us to Chief John Roberts…

Remember, it was Roberts, not Kennedy, who was the 5th vote to uphold the ACA. Despite still being a Conservative, Roberts is also an institutionalist and cares very deeply about the reputation of the Supreme Court as a non-partisan institution and also, personally, about his legacy as Chief Justice. With Kennedy gone, Roberts is now the most “leftward leaning” of the Conservative Justices and I don’t think he will go along and just delegitimatize the Supreme Court by upending the 14th Amendment and getting rid of birthright citizenship.


#1804

That’s a view I’ve heard many a former 101 First Street clerk hold but slightly differently in tone. Less of a, I don’t think he will x, more “Well it’ll be interesting to see if or how he changes as both the chief and the court’s swing vote, it’s the most power any individual justice has had for a very very long time”


#1805

FYI Goresuch has bucked the white house and tends to have a libertarian view, so going literally against literal working of the constitution won’t work out so well. The supreme court will duck the issues if the lower courts all agree that it’s illegal.


#1806

A good example of this is the fact that they declined to hear the Republicans appeal about the PA redistricting.