What TV Shows Are You Watching?


#101

Well, we got through all ten episodes in just a few days, and had a lot of fun with it. Due to the obstacles on the course, it should probably be called “are you a professional/champion climber who can jump before the end of this conveyor belt? Okay, you win” rather than anything to do with Beastmastering.

I’d like to see a course that was more kind to women and short people though, as so many failed at points that seemed to reward being tall rather than good strength to weight ratios and good technique.


#102

They have to show you the NBC stream from somewhere. During e.g. Sunday night football, there’s national ads and local ads. Are they going to splice in local ads from your IP’s location directly into the stream? I doubt it. I wonder if they would even show national ads.

Watchespn.com usually doesn’t show any, you just get a title card and elevator music during commercial breaks.


#103

So, I watched Into the Badlands, and boy howdy was it bad. It was so bad it was funny - from Daniel Wu’s inability to act (he’s an amazing martial artist and it is great to have an Asian man lead a show, but Wu’s expression and inflection never change), Marton Csokas’s insane southern accent that doesn’t match with anyone else’s accent (my mother, who was raised in the South, came into the room for a moment and had to immediately step out; I pointed out that he is a New Zealander attempting the accent, to which she replied, “but is he having a stroke?”), its intense and serious earnestness (which is the funniest part), and the technically impressive but often silly wire-fu fight scenes - it was a hot mess. The concept of the show, merging elements of Journey to the West with southern gothic tropes, is quite cool but woefully undeveloped and enmeshed in the sort of drama and dialogue one would expect on a CW show, not an AMC show. Despite and often because of its short comings, I eagerly await the second season.


#104

Been watching a little bit of Killjoys, on netflix. I put it on as a “Eh, while I work, whatever” show, but it’s been upgraded to “Free time watching”, because I kept stopping work to turn and look at the show. It’s kind of a good half-way mark between The Expanse and Firefly(With more than a little feeling of being a spiritual successor to the latter, with the whole sci-fi low-life thing going on), with a little cop/bounty hunter/merc drama thrown in. It’s got it’s ups and downs, but on the whole, pretty bloody good.


#105

This says it all, really.


#106

Ten episodes into Iron Fist and it’s really bad. By far, the worst of the Marvel Netflix shows. Regardless of whether you think Marvel should have cast an Asian as the lead, the show just isn’t good. The main character is a bumbling man-child who has no idea what he wants or why he’s doing what he’s doing. Too much of the show is taken up with “palace intrigue” in the Rand Corporation, and it’s just boring. I actually love shows that deal with corporate intrigue or go into the nitty-gritty of what a company is like. I actually wish there had been more courtroom scenes in the Daredevil show, but Iron Fist is just boring and doesn’t go anywhere.

All this, the bad plot, the terrible characters, etc could have been forgiven if the action scenes were in any way interesting, but they’re not. Iron Fist, the character, is supposed to be the PREMIERE martial artist in the Marvel Universe. He’s supposed to be the best of the best. Despite everything else about this show, I had high hopes for the action scenes and martial arts choreography, and while they’re not bad, they’re just… boring.

Daredevil’s action scenes had a kind of brutal realism that made them dynamic. Jessica Jones didn’t have that many fight scenes. Luke Cage is super strong and has skin of steel so he didn’t need to rely on finesse and skill. Danny Rand as Iron Fist NEEDS good martial arts choreography and it just doesn’t have it. A couple posts above this one, Kate_Monster reviewed Into the Badlands, a show I’ve also seen, and she’s right, the show is so bad it’s funny. But the one thing that show does well are its fight scenes. They’re amazing and as good as anything you’ll see in a movie like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Hero, or anything else on the big screen. By contrast, Iron Fist’s action scenes are boring. They’re not beautiful to watch or really showcase the character’s skills. They’re just… pedestrian.

With three episodes to go, I don’t think this show can recover. I don’t even think the actors are necessarily bad. Finn Jones and the other leads do a credible job, but the material they’re working with is just terrible. I honestly don’t know how Marvel could have dropped the ball this badly.


#107

It normally takes a few months for people to digest a show and do do fan edits. Do you think there is enough good material left for a tighter show if someone were to cut out the boring Rand Corporation bits?


#108

Not really. Outside of the Rand Corporation stuff, there really isn’t that much plot to the show. I don’t want to go into spoiler territory, but some of the fundamental story choices made in Iron Fist make no sense to me. And like I wrote above, at the end of the day, I could probably forgive Iron Fist all of its faults and flaws if it had really kick-ass fight scenes, but it doesn’t. My recommendation is to just search YouTube for the fight scenes in Into the Badlands and watch those instead.


#109

[quote=“jabrams007, post:106, topic:277”]
The main character is a bumbling man-child who has no idea what he wants or why he’s doing what he’s doing
[/quote]You know, I can see them thinking “Hey, he’s basically a ten year old boy who has been living among monks, it makes sense that he’s a man-child in most aspects of his life.” Except they failed to realize how repellent this made the character, especially considering that there was barely any showing the character outside of him being an angsty, angry man-child.

You know what I think would help the show a lot? If they’d held off on filming Defenders and Jessica Jones season 2 until after they’d completed and made their return on Iron Fist. It’s got all the signs of a show made on a very tight budget - which makes sense, with all three high-profile and expensive shows being made at once, along with everything else Netflix is making right now. I think that if they’d have been given a larger budget from the get-go, the show would have been much, much improved.

And yeah, the kung-fu sucked. Some good moments, but it mostly felt like college film students trying to do their take on Wuxia.


#110

I completely agree. One of the biggest problems I had with the show was trying to reconcile Danny’s character as, as you put it, “an angsty, angry man-child,” with someone capable of becoming the Iron Fist in the first place. Without giving away any spoilers, Danny says again and again throughout the show that he “earned” the title of Iron Fist and it was the hardest thing he’s ever done. I have no idea how he was chosen based on how they portray his personality.

Where is the wisdom, the patience, the insight that should be required to become the Iron Fist? Danny’s character certainly doesn’t show any of those characteristics. He may have been training in Kung-Fu in an other-dimensional monastery for 15 years, but he’s still not 10 or 12 or however old he’s supposed to be. Even training in Kun Lun, I’d still expect him to be mature and somewhat introspective and act like a responsible adult.


#111

[quote=“jabrams007, post:110, topic:277”]
Where is the wisdom, the patience, the insight that should be required to become the Iron Fist? Danny’s character certainly doesn’t show any of those characteristics. He may have been training in Kung-Fu in an other-dimensional monastery for 15 years, but he’s still not 10 or 12 or however old he’s supposed to be. Even training in Kun Lun, I’d still expect him to be mature and somewhat introspective and act like a responsible adult.
[/quote]True that. I mean, sure, he’s not going to have more than a 10-year-old’s understanding of the western world, but have you ever seen a Buddhist monk that acts like Danny does? Let alone one that’s good enough to be considered one of the best, if not the best of the lot? Most martial arts aim to teach discipline, self-control, calm and presence of mind as central skills, and this dude is meant to be a master of all Kung Fu, what, did he just skip class that day?

I expect him to be a little otherworldly and out of sorts, and have a childish understanding - I don’t expect him to be a raging, idiotic man-child with a lack of impulse control only rivaled by the likes of Wolverine or The Hulk.


#112

Again, I completely agree. This is a minor spoiler for the show, but he doesn’t even know how to BE the Iron Fist. It’s like he finally won the title and then he skipped out the next day to go on Spring Break in New York City before he even learned what the Iron Fist was capable of.


#113

[quote=“jabrams007, post:112, topic:277”]
It’s like he finally won the title and then he skipped out the next day to go on Spring Break in New York City before he even learned what the Iron Fist was capable of.
[/quote]Sure a hell knows that it’s good for when you lose your keys. I swear, dude punches more doors than people.


#114

This isn’t really a big spoiler, but the show would have made SO much more sense if Danny left Kun Lun BECAUSE he discovered that the Hand had infiltrated the Rand Corporation and was up to all kinds of bad stuff in NYC.

Instead, the creators and writers of the show decided that he basically abandoned Kun Lun, and abdicated his responsibilities as the Iron Fist and defender of the mystical city. It’s not until he gets to NYC that he discovers that the Hand is operating there. And once he does, he doesn’t know what to do. He had no real plan in coming to NYC, he had no goal, he shows up at his dad’s corporation barefoot and looking like a beach bum expecting them to welcome him back with open arms.

If they had simply had Danny leave Kun Lun to root the Hand out of the Rand Corporation, that at least would have given him some kind of goal and purpose.


#115

What I am getting from all this Iron fist talk is I should rewatch Beverly Hills Ninja instead:


#116

ZOMG, @jabrams007 is 100% correct. The show is directionless and uninteresting. Most of the characters, including Danny are childish and nonsensical. I am far more interested in Colleen Wing’s character and story than in anyone else. If they make a Colleen Wing spin-off, I’d watch that, but I am done with Iron Fist.


#117

I haven’t really found any of the Marvel shows to be interesting. Leigon seemed okay, but not really good enough to pull me in.


#118

Re: Iron Fist

Reading the conversation it just amazes me that Iron Fist fails so utterly. Iron Fist is a really dated character concept (Tarzan but Kung Fu), but it’s not like Hollywood hasn’t made this show before. They just decided to do it in the most obnoxious, tone deaf way possible.

What’s really jarring is the “I went to Kun Lun, became the Iron Fist and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt” attitude of Danny. Yeesh.


#119

Iron Fist had the potential to be soooo so good, regardless of falling into the “White Man As Savior” trope. I have no idea why they didn’t focus at all on his training in Kun Lun, why they made him an immature man-child, and why they decided to have him discover that the Hand was in NYC AFTER he already left Kun Lun.

Like you wrote, the character may be dated, but this could have been an awesome show in the same vein as the first half of Batman Begins, showing Danny becoming the Iron Fist, or by simply giving Danny a purpose and a likable personality.


#120

I’m enjoying Legion because it doesn’t seem to take itself nearly as seriously as most of its genre, AND Aubrey Plaza + Jemaine Clement yes please.