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The A-10 is great and all… if you have air supremacy.

Air supremacy you achieved with a bunch of F-16s.



lol I prefer a plane that can do both air superiority and ground attack :wink:



Yeah, just as I prefer a car that is also a boat…



Rym, your uber is outside.



I prefer the vintage model



In all seriousness, the F-14 is the last US interceptor and the AIM-54C is an amazing missile that hasn’t been really matched. The fidelity of the simulator the Heatblur released is just stunning, especially in VR. Two-seat multiplayer really seals the deal.

Hornet will always be my bae though.



I kid, the F-14 was a fucking phenomenal machine that represented a high water mark for military aviation.

F-16 is my plane crush. Light, versatile, elegant, and known for gettin’ shit done.

Full disclosure, I logged ~6 hours in a real full cockpit simulator…


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Wait we have a thread debating the merits of planes? Let me throw the F/A 18 into the mix. I grew up knowing a pilot of one of those that never quite made general. I was supposedly put in the cockpit as a baby and he got in trouble over it. As such, it’s my go-to in those air/ace combat games.



Tomcats are the best because



If we’re talking fighter planes, we can’t forget the F-15. Of all the planes discussed recently here, it’s the only one that’s undefeated in combat.



I have a soft spot for the F-111. It’s the first fighter-type aircraft I saw flying in person, doing a dump-and-burn over the river in my city.

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When I was about 11 I saw a Harrier up close at an air show. Just fucking hanging mid air. It was like magic. The loudest fucking magic I’ve ever seen, but it certainly stuck with me. Now if I see a jet without VTOL capability, I’m a bit let down.



F-111 is just a shittier version of the F-14 :wink:

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Talk about oversimplification…

The F-111 and F-14 are completely different aircraft with completely different roles. Okay, admittedly the F-111B (the Navy variant) was meant to have the same role as the F-14 would eventually have, but that didn’t work out, in part because the DoD decided “let’s start with a design for the Air Force and then figure out how to adapt it for the Navy.” This was done, in part, due to both having a requirement for a supersonic aircraft with long range and a heavy weapons payload capability. The F-14, on the other hand, was designed for the Navy from the get-go by Grumman, a company with a very long history of designing excellent carrier-based aircraft.

However, the Air Force (F-111A) variant was meant to be a tactical fighter-bomber, not a fighter-interceptor like what the Navy wanted, and it actually did very well at that job, as did its later revisions. In fact, it served the Air Force from 1967 to 1998, a solid 31 year run.



I know, but I also don’t care. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Someone hasn’t heard of the bombcat :wink:



Oh, the F-14 was retrofitted for bombing runs, but that wasn’t its original stated goal. Its goal was as a dogfighter/interceptor capable of launching the ridiculously huge Phoenix missile, most likely at Soviet Tu-95 Bear bombers.

It was also replaced in the strike role as soon as the FA-18 Super Hornet was made available and was merely a stopgap between the A-6 Intruder and the Super Hornets.

Was it an effective stopgap? Signs point to yes, but again, it’s not fair to compare the F-111 and F-14 given they had two radically different missions as part of their initial design parameters.

Oh, and the F-111 would also be modified into the EF-111 Raven electronic warfare plane, and it was also very successful in that role.

That said, I would have loved to have seen the rumored “Super Tomcat” come into service as opposed to the Super Hornet that did. Supposedly Grumman did propose an upgrading Tomcat to the DoD, but they instead chose to go with the upgraded Hornet instead.

The Tomcat is one of my all time favorite jet fighters, but please, give the F-111 the respect it’s due for doing a damned good job at what it was designed to do for 31 years.