The “Bernie would have won(ers)” are still strongly defensive over the idea that Bernie would not have similar pushback to Hillary and he’d have the potential to fix our congress. The effect has doubled down since the success of Corbyn/Labor.
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The “Bernie would have won(ers)” are still strongly defensive over the idea that Bernie would not have similar pushback to Hillary and he’d have the potential to fix our congress. The effect has doubled down since the success of Corbyn/Labor.
[/quote]Ironically, I’ve seen people, particularly on Rosetwitter, who have rejected Corbyn as not being “true left” because despite Bernie going to England and talking to people about the election, he didn’t endorse Corbyn.
They somehow didn’t realize that Bernie was there to support his brother - which is a nice thing to do - and his brother is running for the Greens, therefore endorsing their competition would be a pretty stupid thing to do. (Despite the endorsement, Larry Sanders came fourth, and failed to secure the 5% of the vote needed to avoid his campaign deposit being forfeited to the Queen. A pattern that seems to follow pretty well with the candidates Bernie endorses in US politics.)
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Additionally, I question the assumption that Bernie would have beaten Trump. I honestly don’t think he would have.
[/quote]He most likely wouldn’t have, and would have lost by an even larger margin. Just for one, his best strategy to date has been to appeal to the white working class, and that doesn’t work for left-wing candidates in general elections, because the WWC hasn’t broken Dem for about 50 fucking years. He sucks so, so bad at getting the POC vote, and those votes are crucial in the General. He might have managed to pull some white moderates, but pulling some of the white moderates doesn’t win elections, and his message - especially his “Fuck identity politics, it’s all about class warfare” message - simply doesn’t resonate with POC enough to secure him the votes.
And yeah, people can bring up the whole PR angle that he was supposedly some hero of the civil rights movement, but as we saw in the primaries, that doesn’t actually work - It sure as hell works on white folk who want to pat themselves on the back, but it only alienates the POC who know damned well that he wasn’t.
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This dude is the nuttyest bastard I have ever met. I mean full on mad as shit, does not understand what facts are. Just how the hell did you get out of America?
[/quote]Jesus, what a mad bastard. He’s not the first person I’ve seen with those views, but he’s one of the rarer few with all of those views simultaneously, that have actually left the US.
See that’s the thing I don’t get! he is super patriotic, very anti immigration, kind of a white supremacist, big on family values. But has emigrated to Japan and is having a kid with a Japanese woman! In the ranks of barmy bastards he is up at the top.
One great interaction was with a friend of mine who is in the JSDF. Nutters was going on about how good it was that Japan will get an army back and all that. My chum responds with ‘yes it is very good, now when your president tries to attack the world we can join in attacking you’.
Oh and I forgot the standard facebook barrage of shit. Going on about ‘fake news and questioning for the truth’. I’ve gone full Jane Goodall on this fella.
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I’ve gone full Jane Goodall on this fella.
[/quote]You hugged his furry little babies while he dug into a termite mound with a stick for lunch?
Pretty much. The crazy thing is his wife is lovely. Really chill, very welcoming. As with so many relationships I wonder how the hell they ended up together.
I see this a lot where I live, just in the future. I live in a heavy military area so there are a lot of veterans, mostly Navy, who were stationed in Japan in the 70s and 80s and married Japanese women. The men are invariably assholes with varying degrees of right wing lunacy and their wives perfectly nice people.
For all that supposed political expertise and intelligence, not one of them managed to stumble across the actual answer, which is yes. Since the US doesn’t elect a new congress till November 2018, we’d have literally exactly the same republican majority congress if Bernie had won. Changing the president doesn’t magically change who the members of congress are.
Seriously, how can a bunch of supposedly smart people, who consider themselves politically aware, have absolutely no idea how the government works?
Actually, you only got it partially right. The entire House of Representatives and about 1/3 of the Senate was up for grabs in the 2016 elections. Whether that would have been enough to turn the GOP majority into a Democratic majority is a separate issue.
Seconded. Whether Sanders would’ve hurt or helped the Democrats is really unclear to me, but it would have effected the partisan image and thus the Congressional vote in addition to the Presidential.
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Actually, you only got it partially right. The entire House of Representatives and about 1/3 of the Senate was up for grabs in the 2016 elections. Whether that would have been enough to turn the GOP majority into a Democratic majority is a separate issue.
[/quote]Doubtful. We had the dems doing their usual down-ticket support, I genuinely can’t see how that would have changed much with Sanders, who is politically notorious for not being very good at supporting down-ticket candidates.
Looking at the numbers, the deciding factor is more party spending, than presidential candidate on the slate. As best I can break it down, I don’t really think we would have seen substantially different results - in fact, the biggest change from expectation was with the republicans, as Never-trump folk strayed from Trump-supporting candidates, and even that was a tiny effect. Unless Sanders had some seriously radical down-ticket plans, We’d have almost certainly seen the same result, within a few points.
Books and University smarts aren’t as good as common sense smarts.
I once argued with a cardiac specialist on the treatment of a patient who was having issues and going down hill. Her recommendation was to cease all heart medication and that I should trust her because she had specialist degree in that field (yet didn’t really see patients).
I followed my own researched plan based on the most recent (at the time) published scientific recommendations, and stabilised the patient. Even the lay person would recognise that removing all medications for the primary problem would just cause further issues for the patient and client.
Application of book smarts in the real world is something that I respect far more than those academics holed up in magical University land.
Unrelated, this is basically fark level nonsense.
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I once argued with a cardiac specialist on the treatment of a patient who was having issues and going down hill.
[/quote]So much for the tolerant left ventricle.
In all seriousness, I know what you mean. You run into that problem a lot with engineers, particularly freshly minted ones, and manufacturing. They know the theory, but the vast majority of them, even mech ens, have never been on the tools, and don’t have the common sense from actually working with the materiel and equipment, meaning you end up with all sorts of mad shit, like fasteners for closing a unit that can only be secured when the unit is already closed, and you have no access to them. They usually even out within a few years, but that first little bit of time is often just a festival of weird book-smart-experience-poor decision making.
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Doubtful. We had the dems doing their usual down-ticket support, I genuinely can’t see how that would have changed much with Sanders, who is politically notorious for not being very good at supporting down-ticket candidates.[/quote]
Oh, I agree that it would’ve been doubtful that Sanders could’ve done much to change the general makeup of Congress in 2016. However, the reason was not because the elections weren’t until 2018, as you implied in your original post (and apologies if I misunderstood). There were plenty of seats up for grabs in 2016 that hypothetically might have changed things, though I haven’t done the math with regards to how many senate seats were in play.
Again, quite possible.
Six of my students cheated, copying their last essays almost word for word from the Internet or each other. I really didn’t want to have to ask about the university’s policy on cheating a week before summer vacation, but I guess I have to. This being China, I expect it’ll be a pat on the back or something.
A slap in the wrist?
I meant what I wrote. Cheating isn’t seen as such a bad thing here. If you can find a way to get your work done more quickly or efficiently, more power to you.
Also depends on who their parents are. But yeah, I get stuff like this in ungraded stuff where it is super obvious that a group have all copied each other. It is fun calling them on doing the sane spelling mistakes.
Me and my wife attend an astronomy club which has always had problems. The guy that runs it is delusional he says that there’s a way he’ll get government funding and he’ll hire Professor Brian Cox and get kids off the street etc. His best friend is rational but bigoted but they kind of balanced each others flaws. We always knew the big plan was bullshit but we were happy enough hanging out just the 7 of us looking through telescopes and dicking about. This week, for various reasons nobody but the 2 organisers showed up.
There’s a Muslim lady that attends with her son and last night she forwarded us a message she’d received from the organisers saying that there was trouble at the club that night. Apparently a group showed up saying the club supported terrorism and threatened to burn the church down so ultimately she and her son were no longer welcome there.
I’m calling bullshit on it. The organisers are just making stupid things up and don’t want the 2 Muslims at the club.
We’ve told our friend that she and her son are welcome at our house for similar telescope stuff and hanging out. The only other member had the same reaction as us so it looks like it’s our club now. And still no one knows anything about astronomy.
Yep, cut the bullshit drama people out.
(Edited for being the least comprehensible post I’ve ever written.)
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When you love someone and their tweets, but you have to mute them because they tweet so much they take up like 25% of your feed.
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Twitter made it waaaay worse by showing a percentage of “Likes” as retweets lately.
So I’m seeing a TON more tweets than usual, and a full 1/3 of them are things other people liked but didn’t actually tweet.